unconstitutional, I don't want insurance

somewheregirrl · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:33 am Post subject:

Yep, in most places.
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robert · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

good luck dems trying to impose mandatory health insurance on people..

Mandatory Insurance Is Unconstitutional
Wall Street Journal ^ | Sept. 18, 2009 | DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. AND LEE A. CASEY

Federal legislation requiring that every American have health insurance is part of all the major health-care reform plans now being considered in Washington. Such a mandate, however, would expand the federal government’s authority over individual Americans to an unprecedented degree. It is also profoundly unconstitutional. * * * The mandate's real justifications are far more cynical and political. Making healthy young adults pay billions of dollars in premiums into the national health-care market is the only way to fund universal coverage without raising substantial new taxes. In effect, this mandate would be one more giant, cross-generational subsidy—imposed on generations who are already stuck with the bill for the federal government's prior spending sprees. * * * The elephant in the room is the Constitution. * * * Taxation can favor one industry or course of action over another, but a "tax" that falls exclusively on anyone who is uninsured is a penalty beyond Congress's authority. If the rule were otherwise, Congress could evade all constitutional limits by "taxing" anyone who doesn't follow an order of any kind—whether to obtain health-care insurance, or to join a health club, or exercise regularly, or even eat your vegetables. * * * a tax that is so clearly a penalty for failing to comply with requirements otherwise beyond Congress's constitutional power will present the question whether there are any limits on Congress's power to regulate individual Americans. The Supreme Court has never accepted such a proposition, and it is unlikely to accept it now, even in an area as important as health care.
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recliner · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject:

SWG, how big of role should government play in our lives? provide healthcare, provide housing, provide autos, provide food, wait, wait,

housing, they already do
food they already do
autos, they already do
healthcare? ? ? waiting
electric, how much we use? (soon the smart meter)
what else am I leaving out?
you libs can't make decisions on your own, you need permission from your government.

robert · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject:

All these 60's lib radicals who grew up despising the government suddenly now feel it's okay for the gov't to intrude in every aspect of people's lives. Pelosi, Reid and 0bama can stick it.
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somewheregirrl · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject:

... wait, wait ...

marriage ... they do
abortion ... they do
what two adults do in their bedroom ... they did (still do?)
how to treat a piece of cloth that happens to be a flag ... they do
Blue laws ... they do
drugs ... they do

We all cherry pick what we want the gov't involved in. Except for true libertarians.

I do personally want to be number one in the world not just militarily .... but in healthcare for all, lowest infant mortality rate, best educational system and lowest illiteracy rate, no food insecurity (worried about where your next meal is coming from), etc. etc.

Yes, I am a social liberal. Woo hooo.
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